Dreams crushed... for now.

"It's a "Porch-uh"" (ikazuchi)
01/22/2016 at 17:58 • Filed to: stealerships

A friend of mine ordered a GT350 forever ago (11 months) and it finally came in. I was so excited to go for a ride in it and hear that flat plane crank up close. Maybe I could talk him into driving it...

When he ordered it, they said it would be at MSRP. Super.
When he went to pick it up they now tell him there is a $30K markup. Nope.

So if you want a beautiful GT350 and willing to pay $30K above sticker, there’s one available in San Diego.

Damn stealerships.

[EDIT: Previously reported as a GT350R. He decided at some point to “just” get the GT350 and never notified me because these are things I must know.]

UPDATE: He found one on the east coast from a dealer willing to play ball.

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DISCUSSION (54)

DrJohannVegas > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 17:59

I feel like a tweet to Ford about the situation (especially gross, given that he ordered the car...) might get some wheels rolling.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:01

I don’t know GT350R prices but what was the final price w/mark up?

It's a "Porch-uh" > DrJohannVegas
01/22/2016 at 18:02

I’ll suggest that if he hasn’t reached out already.

they-will-know-my-velocity > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:03

Uhhh. yeah. If he ordered the car and has a price on whatever invoice I assume he put a downpayment on, the car should be at the agreed upon price.

DrJohannVegas > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:03

Yea. I don’t know what the language was on the order (or if there was a deposit, etc.), but a “market adjustment” of that nature (50%?) is a bit extreme, especially given the wait. Now I’ll sit and wait for all the Oppo salespeople to come in and explain how this is a totally legitimate normal way of doing business, and your friend should be happy to pay the extra cost.

qbeezy > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:09

If he has any information regarding ordering it for MSRP, I’d blast that shit all over twitter. That’s some shady shit.

DoYouEvenShift > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:10

+1 for direct to consumer sales!!!

Chariotoflove > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:12

I think that I would go to another dealership and make a new deal. Unless there is something different about factory-ordered cars, different dealerships transfer cars between them when they have a buyer. Wouldn’t it be be fun to buy the exact car from another Ford dealer for the agreed upon price and deny this original dealer the sale?

This is how I got my Riviera. The lot where it was sitting (in Ypsituckey) wanted a big markup. I drove in to Livonia, got the car with that exact VIN transferred over to the dealer there, and bought the car for the price I wanted.

RallyWrench > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:12

Get some more specifics, and make this a front-page worthy post. See what happens. Marking it up by an entire Mustang is horseshit, especially if promised MSRP.

E92M3 > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:13

This is EXACTLY why Tesla’s sales model is so welcomed.

AkursedX > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:14

Wow, that makes the $11 markup over retail I paid for a gallon of milk seem reasonable.

Oh wait, that didn’t happen because I didn’t have to buy it from a lobbyist-protected dealership model.

It's a "Porch-uh" > Chariotoflove
01/22/2016 at 18:15

He already found an identical car in another state. Hoping to make a deal and leave the offending dealer stuck with the car and eat the interest they pay having it sit there.

DrJohannVegas > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
01/22/2016 at 18:17

Should be upwards of 90k.

It's a "Porch-uh" > DrJohannVegas
01/22/2016 at 18:18

The order is pretty vague, saying final invoice subject to taxes and ‘fees.’

It's a "Porch-uh" > RallyWrench
01/22/2016 at 18:19

Not sure there’s much more to tell.

RallyWrench > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:21

Dealer name, purchase order, down payment, timeline?

Chariotoflove > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:21

I like it. Hope he makes sure he denies them him his service business, too.

For Sweden > DrJohannVegas
01/22/2016 at 18:21

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PushToStart > E92M3
01/22/2016 at 18:23

**by consumers**

It’s not welcomed by the self-serving assholes that are formally known as the Big Dealership lobbyists, and the politicians that are lining their pockets.

It's a "Porch-uh" > Chariotoflove
01/22/2016 at 18:23

There are a few Ford dealers in the SD area, so I’m sure he’s never going back unless they come crawling back to make a deal.

DrJohannVegas > For Sweden
01/22/2016 at 18:27

Well. This is escalating quickly. (Grabs beer.)

Brian, The Life of > For Sweden
01/22/2016 at 18:36

Mossy Ford is not a Penske store

For Sweden > Brian, The Life of
01/22/2016 at 18:39

Ford San Diego County’s website had the car listed at Penske in La Mesa...oops...retweeting.

Brian, The Life of > For Sweden
01/22/2016 at 18:42

Post it so everyone can retweet (or whatever the fuck you kids do) when it’s done. Matt’s a friend of mine and I’d like to help him out.

DrJohannVegas > Brian, The Life of
01/22/2016 at 18:42

Well. This is going off the rails (and re-escalating) quickly. (Grabs another beer.)

For Sweden > Brian, The Life of
01/22/2016 at 18:45

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Chasaboo > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:49

Galpin Ford in LA is asking $25,000 over MSRP.

Nerd-Vol > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:51

As a sales consultant, market adjustments make me uncomfortable. While certainly I would like to be the consultant who sold the car with 30k in profit, I would feel dirty. I would spend most of the commission in soap and tithes.

Real talk though, I’m not a huge fan. Although it does make sense when you consider supply vs demand, I'm not a fan.

LJ909 > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:56

That’s the fucked up part of ordering a car in America and a prime reason why Auto dealer franchises need to go away. Its like buying a Big Mac at Mcdonalds and seeing $4.50 on the drive thru board and then getting to the window and have them tell you oh its going to be $7.50 now with a $3.00 convenience fee.

LJ909 > Chasaboo
01/22/2016 at 18:58

Galpin is horrible. I rather Worthington any day.

hike > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 18:59

He should really try contacting corporate about it. Might get something out of it!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 19:01

Dealers have been marking up GT350s for a while now. It’s on the forums.

El Rivinado > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 19:17

I can tell you that most of the Mossy stuff seems like stealerships. The fact is, they're only successful because of the amount of advertisement they shove on local tv and radio. I've been to much better dealerships than Mossy franchises, they're overhyped for what they are.

Brian, The Life of > El Rivinado
01/22/2016 at 19:21

I’m actually a fan. I’ve purchased three cars from that particular Mossy store over the years and have always been treated right. Of course, I’ve never purchased a limited production car like this from them, so ...

Takuro Spirit > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 19:48

Our Ford store has a 350 that someone ordered and then backed out. I bet they’ll sell it for sticker just to be rid of it.

Matt > Takuro Spirit
01/22/2016 at 20:10

Info?

Coty > DrJohannVegas
01/22/2016 at 20:11

Been selling cars for two years, 3 brands. One of which is Ford.

This dealership should shove this car so far up their own asses that they hiccup when someone hits the lock button on the fob. Complete bullshit.

E92M3 > PushToStart
01/22/2016 at 20:18

I hate the big dealer conglomerates. The 5 largest dealers here convinced local law makers they were missing a huge chunk of revenue by not collecting a sales tax on private party used car sales. In reality they wanted to erase the benefit of not buying used from a dealer. It’s a win/win for both parties.

Steve in Manhattan > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 20:27

Someone shine the Lehto bat signal - something in my lawyer brain says if he signed a sales order, they owe him that car (or an identical one) at list. The motherfuckers.

Steve in Manhattan > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/22/2016 at 20:29

I don’t think a dealer markup is a fee. And we should wage a social media blitz on these assholes.

Steve in Manhattan > RallyWrench
01/22/2016 at 21:08

If anyone knows a Jalopnik writer, get them on this.

It's a "Porch-uh" > For Sweden
01/22/2016 at 21:15

Yeah, wrong dealer.

Evadude > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/23/2016 at 00:13

Guys, don’t get me wrong. I absolutely love the 350, and I would buy one in a second.

That said, I’m not going to buy one strictly for the same reason I never bought a GT500. I’m not paying these ridiculous ADMs on top of the MSRP.

I hear people constantly harping about how the 350 is such a great car for the price, and it would be, at MSRP.

And no, I shouldn't need to buy 10 Fords at one dealership over a period of years to get a special MSRP for this car.

wpanik: now owns zero automatics > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/23/2016 at 08:38

Was there not any kind of contract with language preventing this? Has anyone turned on the Steve Lehto signal..?

wpanik: now owns zero automatics > Steve in Manhattan
01/23/2016 at 08:42

Haha I totally just referred to it as the “Steve Lehto Signal” in my own comment. Have a star, sir.

Nerd-Vol > LJ909
01/23/2016 at 09:35

You pay a delivery charge for your pizza. And tip on top of that.

Steve in Manhattan > Nerd-Vol
01/23/2016 at 13:34

No delivery charges here - they have to compete. But I always tip generously. Everyone should - those guys work hard. The recommendation was, in Gothamist, that if you order during the ongoing blizzard, you tip 50 percent. I agree.

Steve in Manhattan > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/23/2016 at 14:21

Please let us know where this stands - I was sleeping, and starting a brisket, and watching the snow pile up.

And we should all start following each other on Twitter, to keep up with things - I am @blogenfreude (Steve in Manhattan).

Steve in Manhattan > Chariotoflove
01/23/2016 at 14:45

When did you get the Riviera? Year?

Steve in Manhattan > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/23/2016 at 14:50

Here’s another point: ordering the precise car you want and taking delivery is a gearhead/petrolhead’s dream. I’ve been driving since 1977, and while I’ve owned some interesting cars (among them ‘91 CRX Si, ‘97 SHO) I’ve never ordered a car. I regret to this day not going in my Toyota dealership (had bought 2 cars from them) and ordered a ‘97 Supra exactly like I wanted it). Bought the SHO off a lot instead. There is a huge emotional component to this situation - it’s not just the greed displayed by the dealership.

SteveLehto > Steve in Manhattan
01/23/2016 at 16:18

Depends on the state. In Michigan, they always claim the sales order is not the contract - the later papers are.

Steve in Manhattan > SteveLehto
01/23/2016 at 16:39

I remember a long time ago, the Car Guys told a Boxster owner to make sure that the tech wrote: “customer suspects piston slap” on the repair order to preserve the warranty claim. I suppose this is a corollary - you have to write something on the sales order that says this is the final price, no dealer markup, etc.

This smells like that incident some months (years) ago where the dealership wrecked that guy’s Camaro (forget the model) and had to be shamed into doing the right thing.

Chariotoflove > Steve in Manhattan
01/24/2016 at 12:32

It was a ‘95. The first year of the last version.

RichH1 > It's a "Porch-uh"
01/25/2016 at 07:53

What's sad is that I paid MSRP for my limited run 675LT. McLaren SF told me that when I ordered it and when it arrived. How is that any dealer would do this to a customer regardless of price. I know I won't ever visit that dealership again.